Candidates clash over immigration, size of government in GOP debate

Republicans sparred over economic issues and immigration Tuesday, a more expansive exchange that allowed the candidates to speak in more depth and likely allowed most to bolster their appeal without substantively changing the contours of the presidential race.

Ben Carson, battered in recent days by news reports questioning various claims he’s made, turned a question into how he’s being vetted into an attack on Hillary Clinton.

Marco Rubio, who received accolades after the last debate, had another good night but found himself defending his conservative credentials.

Jeb Bush needed a standout performance after slumping polls, but he didn’t get one, scoring the best point on an issue that his base hates.

And Chris Christie, demoted from the prime-time debate by sub-par polling numbers, dominated the earlier “happy hour” debate – returning again and again to attacks on Clinton amid a spirited debate over taxes and spending, particularly on entitlement programs. “Hillary Clinton’s coming for your wallet, everybody,” he said.

Main takeaway

After the chaos of the last debate, the fourth Republican presidential debate largely stuck to its focus on the economy, featuring detailed explanations of the candidates’ tax proposals. They mostly agreed that the U.S. should not raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

But stark differences emerged on how to handle illegal immigration and how large a national defense program the U.S. can afford, a reminder that the race remains wide open and the competition is intensifying as the candidates race toward caucus and primary voting early next year. It was the last debate for five weeks.

Top quotes

Donald Trump: “There is nothing that we do now to win. We don’t win anymore. Our taxes are too high.”

Marco Rubio: “For the life of me, I don’t understand why we stigmatize vocational education. Welders make more than philosophers. We need more welders than philosophers.”

Carly Fiorina: “We must take our government back.”

Ben Carson. “I have no problem with being vetted. What I do have a problem with is being lied about.”

Ted Cruz: “If Republicans join Democrats as the party of amnesty, we will lose.”

The biggest controversy

The candidates clashed heatedly over Trump’s proposal to deport 11 million immigrants in the nation illegally.

Bush and Kasich ripped Trump’s proposal, saying it isn’t practical and is damaging to the Republican Party.

Bush said mass deportations “would tear families and communities apart” and argued that just considering the idea hurts Republicans. “They’re doing high gives in the Clinton campaign when they hear this,” he said.

Kasich called Trump’s plan “silly” and said it was “not an adult conversation.” He said those here without proper paperwork and clean records should pay penalties and get a chance to stay in the U.S. “Come on folks, we all know you can’t pick them up and ship them off across the border,” he said. “It’s a silly argument. It’s not an adult argument.”

Trump shot back: “I built an unbelievable company worth billions and billions of dollars, I don’t have to hear from this man.”

Report card

JEB BUSH

The former Florida governor was more aggressive after his performances fell flat in the three previous debates. He spoke with authority on several policies and criticized Democrat Hillary Clinton, but he still complained about his lack of speaking time, a strategy that did not work well for him during the last debate. He needed an outright win – all the more important since the candidates won’t debate again for five more weeks – but his campaign is unlikely to gain traction.

BEN CARSON

Surging in the polls but attracting more scrutiny by the news media, Carson kept his poise and scored when he turned a question about his own vetting into a complaint about Clinton telling her daughter and the public a different story after the 2012 fatal terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya. “Where I come from,” he said, “that’s called a lie.”

TED CRUZ

Cruz again turned in a strong performance with solid answers and strong rhetoric against the Democratic candidates and the Internal Revenue Service, both of which appeal to conservatives. The Texas senator corrected a moderator who he said misstated one of his policy policies and again complained about the media, which again earned him huge applause.

CARLY FIORINA

Fiorina, a business executive, put in another solid debate performance, but it’s unlikely that will vault her to the top tier. She demonstrated again a detailed grasp of domestic policies, with ease on issues such as budgeting and health care, and a focus on President Barack Obama’s record. But she did it at times by interrupting others, and Donald Trump at one point asked out loud why she kept interrupting everyone else.

JOHN KASICH

Kasich criticized his opponents, particularly Trump for wanting to deport 11 million immigrants, and aggressively interrupted others to get more speaking time. The two-term governor of Ohio tried again to use his resume in an economically stable state to gain traction by portraying himself as a leader who has balanced budgets.

RAND PAUL

Paul, the Kentucky senator who joked with reporters ahead of the debate that he was hoping “the rest of them will drop out and just let me be their nominee,” sought to regain some traction. He forcefully challenged Rubio for multitrillion-dollar proposals he said were not conservative, and he criticized proposals for a no-fly zone over Syria, saying it could led to shooting down Russian planes and another costly war in Iraq.

MARCO RUBIO

Rubio continued to pitch his parents’ story as the American Dream as he joined his fellow Republicans with opposing raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour, saying it would “make people more expensive than machines.” He was forced to defend his economic and defense proposals against attacks by Paul, saying he was defending the family and the country.

DONALD TRUMP

Trump looked to regain the spotlight and show a bit of presidential gravitas to broaden his appeal beyond his base, but it’s unclear he did that. He took a sober approach from the start and held his own under questioning about deporting immigrants.

The count

At the last debate, candidates bashed the moderators and journalists in general, even more than each other, garnering huge applause and rave reviews. This time again the word “media” came up again frequently – and not in a positive way.

CORRECTION: An earlier version of this article misstated the number of immigrants estimated to be in the nation illegally. It is 11 million.

This story was originally published November 10, 2015 at 3:25 PM with the headline "Candidates clash over immigration, size of government in GOP debate."