Welcome to covering Jeb Bush, David Gregory.
On Sunday, the Meet The Press host learned that if you ask the former Florida governor a political-gossip question that attempts to pit him against a friend, hell parry and thrust.
Gregory: Whos the hottest Florida politician right now is it you or [U.S. Sen.] Marco Rubio? Who are we more likely to see in the White House?
Bush: Man, you guys are crack addicts. You really are obsessed with all this politics . . . Marco Rubios a great guy . . .
Gregory: You know, Ive been called a lot of things . . .
Bush: OK, heroin addict. Is that better?
To call Bushs smile icy would be too warm a description.
The exchange is vintage Bush. Ask any reporter who covered Bush on the campaign trail or in political office. Or ask any staffer who worked for him in either capacity. Bush challenges.
Bush has an approach-avoidance conflict with reporters: He seems to enjoy give-and-take, but he has a measure of disdain for many of us, especially political reporters, seen by Bush as purveyors of empty-calorie journalism. Bush has fashioned himself as a policy guy, someone who made major changes to education, proposed a mammoth Medicaid reform plan (in 2005 before it was sexy) and now is trying to tackle immigration.
Yes, politics imbues policy. But hes getting a little weary of the medias focus on his presidential ambitions and his friendship with Rubio.
Hes probably just plain weary as well. He did all five television news shows Sunday, and spent the previous week on the road. Along the way, he has reversed and reversed himself on one immigration policy topic a path to residency vs. a path to citizenship that has left him a bit peevish.
Bush wants to talk about his book, Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution, which I write about on todays front page. In some ways, hes having it both ways, parlaying his political brand into high-profile interviews about his book while discounting the importance of politics.
Late last week, when I asked whether the controversy was a good way to sell books, Bush laughed.
I dont think, he chuckled. Id volunteer for it not to have happened, if I had my way. . . . In Washington, it seems, everybody assumes theres a political motivation to everything. And not understanding that, I accept responsibility for it. Is it a big deal? No.
Q: But refusing to knock down the are-you-running-for-president question is a good way to sell books, right?
Bush: Its an honest answer to a question that Ive gotten every time Im in the public. Im asked this all the time. Im asked this long before the book came out. Last year I gave 138 speeches. Im not living in a cocoon here. . . . I answer this question the same way all the time.
Q: But last year, you said you werent running for office and, in doing so, you essentially implied you could be more straightforward with people.
Bush: That was last year. This cycle comes. Theres a new set of questions. Last year, it was, Why didnt you run for 2012? That was the question then. Then, on the first Wednesday of November the question is: Well, why havent you decided? When are you going to announce youre running in 2016? Theres this obsession about this in Washington World. Everything is viewed through that lens. I just assumed this book might be viewed from the intent of it. The intent was to shape policy going forward.
Q: Why dont you lance the boil and say youd never run against Rubio. Would you?
Bush: No. I cant imagine that. I dont know. Hes such a great guy . . . Marcos stepped up incredibly well. Were close friends. This whole People magazine whatever-you-call it, its really kind of, you know, childish. Its juvenile, untrue.
Thats vintage Bush.